Comments on: No Idle in California http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/ The Fuel Advantage Blog, where Editor Mark O’Connell comments on what’s right and what’s wrong in the world of alternative fuels, hybrid vehicles, idle-reduction and all things fuel-related. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:33:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Turns off when idling - Diesel Forum - The Diesel Stop.com http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-587 Turns off when idling - Diesel Forum - The Diesel Stop.com Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:40:13 +0000 http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-587 [...] law depending on what state you're in. 2008 Idle Laws by State FuelPub Blog No Idle in California Kalifornia State Wide No Idle [...] […] law depending on what state you’re in. 2008 Idle Laws by State FuelPub Blog No Idle in California Kalifornia State Wide No Idle […]

]]> By: Timex http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-562 Timex Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:30:29 +0000 http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-562 The heat in Ca is high 90's. My company says we must obey the law. So far this week, three drivers have passed out and have required medical attention. Two drivers have recieved $300 tickets. Ca should be put on the list of terrorist. The heat in Ca is high 90’s. My company says we must obey the law. So far this week, three drivers have passed out and have required medical attention. Two drivers have recieved $300 tickets. Ca should be put on the list of terrorist.

]]> By: Bonnie http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-525 Bonnie Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:59:16 +0000 http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-525 There are NO exceptions to this law. The State of California does not care how hot or cold it is ... you cannot idle. They don't care if you die in your truck ... after all, you're just a truck driver. So ... if you can, boycott this state. Do not take loads coming into or out of here. If you get a ticket and have to shut down, then wait 30 - 45 minutes and call an ambulance complaining of heat exhaustion and dehydration. Go to a hospital. Then either don't pay the bill (putting a drain on the medical system) or hire a lawyer and sue the state / city for endangering your life. If youi have a pet, get in contact with PETA and ask for their help in getting an exception to this law for your pet. Contact OSHA, the Department of Labor, the Department of Transportation, and your Congress person. Ask each of them what they are doing to stop California from enforcing this law, since it creates a danger to the health of truck drivers. If you don't belong, join OOIDA and ask for their help in fighting this law. Just do SOMETHING! Truck drivers get blamed for a lot of things because they don't have a combined voice. Make sure that yours gets heard! There are NO exceptions to this law. The State of California does not care how hot or cold it is … you cannot idle. They don’t care if you die in your truck … after all, you’re just a truck driver.

So … if you can, boycott this state. Do not take loads coming into or out of here. If you get a ticket and have to shut down, then wait 30 - 45 minutes and call an ambulance complaining of heat exhaustion and dehydration. Go to a hospital. Then either don’t pay the bill (putting a drain on the medical system) or hire a lawyer and sue the state / city for endangering your life. If youi have a pet, get in contact with PETA and ask for their help in getting an exception to this law for your pet. Contact OSHA, the Department of Labor, the Department of Transportation, and your Congress person. Ask each of them what they are doing to stop California from enforcing this law, since it creates a danger to the health of truck drivers. If you don’t belong, join OOIDA and ask for their help in fighting this law.
Just do SOMETHING! Truck drivers get blamed for a lot of things because they don’t have a combined voice. Make sure that yours gets heard!

]]> By: Bubbles http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-518 Bubbles Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:05:12 +0000 http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-518 I am a trucker in Calif, I travel through Baker on my way to Las Vegas. Also, Pahrump and Amargosa Valley, NV. Baker is the center point. Are they trying to tell me that making a trucker turn off his truck in Baker when it's 115 degrees is a GOOD idea?? Most trucker's can't afford motels and/or the company won't pay for one. I believe if you have a pet it's an "exception", you know, God forbid you hurt an animal, but it's okay if the trucker dies. This might fly in NJ and NY, but California is a whole different world with extreme high temps in the summer. Wait until tired truckers start causing deaths and accidents because of lack of a good night's/day's rest. People will sue the company or the driver when they should be suing the state of California. I know truckers that don't own homes, the truck is their home, it seems to me to be a constitutional right to be comfortable in your own home. I am a trucker in Calif, I travel through Baker on my way to Las Vegas. Also, Pahrump and Amargosa Valley, NV. Baker is the center point. Are they trying to tell me that making a trucker turn off his truck in Baker when it’s 115 degrees is a GOOD idea?? Most trucker’s can’t afford motels and/or the company won’t pay for one. I believe if you have a pet it’s an “exception”, you know, God forbid you hurt an animal, but it’s okay if the trucker dies. This might fly in NJ and NY, but California is a whole different world with extreme high temps in the summer. Wait until tired truckers start causing deaths and accidents because of lack of a good night’s/day’s rest. People will sue the company or the driver when they should be suing the state of California.
I know truckers that don’t own homes, the truck is their home, it seems to me to be a constitutional right to be comfortable in your own home.

]]> By: Gypsy http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-438 Gypsy Thu, 01 May 2008 00:43:31 +0000 http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-438 What about the rail? Those locomotive engines sit idle for days running and pouring out the fumes. Jets sitting on the runways for hours. Ships, etc.!! How does the state superseed the United States government anyways. The govn. says employees shall work in a safe enviroment. But the revenue state of ca., says we must die in our trucks of heat exaustion, dehydrated, and if we survive another 10 hrs in the oven, then we hit the road for 11 hrs, in tip top shape? NOT! How can they legally do this? Fine me all you want. Fine me enough so I can't go to the stupid so called state of calif. I'd be more than happy to stop at the boarder and wave my finger at calif. What about the rail? Those locomotive engines sit idle for days running and pouring out the fumes. Jets sitting on the runways for hours. Ships, etc.!! How does the state superseed the United States government anyways. The govn. says employees shall work in a safe enviroment. But the revenue state of ca., says we must die in our trucks of heat exaustion, dehydrated, and if we survive another 10 hrs in the oven, then we hit the road for 11 hrs, in tip top shape? NOT! How can they legally do this? Fine me all you want. Fine me enough so I can’t go to the stupid so called state of calif. I’d be more than happy to stop at the boarder and wave my finger at calif.

]]> By: Gertie Klam http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-431 Gertie Klam Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:46:22 +0000 http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-431 I've heard there are exceptions to this rule. However, I have yet to find "all" the exceptions. I don't mind obeying the rules and regulations forced upon me, but this is definately a safety issue. Lack of sleep only means I'm an unsafe driver. Why bother enforcing the 10hr sleeper berth if we aren't getting proper rest. Wasn't that the purpose of changing the 8hr to 10hrs sleeper berth, to ensure proper rest? I've never known anyone that could get proper rest when the temperature in the cab is over 100. I'm confused....Where can I find the exceptions to this rule? And what about having a pet in my truck? Wouldn't it be animal cruelty if my helpless pet had to endure the tempertures in the cab without proper temperture control? My main route is weekly throughout this lovely pit of hell and I don't want to leave the company I'm driving for. It's a small company and they are refusing to put APUs on the truck. So, if the Idle Police come to my truck and attempt to write out the ticket, shouldn't they write the ticket to the company? Afterall, it shouldn't be a "company drivers' " responsibility to alter and add componites to the truck that doesn't even belong to the driver. I’ve heard there are exceptions to this rule. However, I have yet to find “all” the exceptions. I don’t mind obeying the rules and regulations forced upon me, but this is definately a safety issue. Lack of sleep only means I’m an unsafe driver. Why bother enforcing the 10hr sleeper berth if we aren’t getting proper rest. Wasn’t that the purpose of changing the 8hr to 10hrs sleeper berth, to ensure proper rest? I’ve never known anyone that could get proper rest when the temperature in the cab is over 100. I’m confused….Where can I find the exceptions to this rule? And what about having a pet in my truck? Wouldn’t it be animal cruelty if my helpless pet had to endure the tempertures in the cab without proper temperture control? My main route is weekly throughout this lovely pit of hell and I don’t want to leave the company I’m driving for. It’s a small company and they are refusing to put APUs on the truck. So, if the Idle Police come to my truck and attempt to write out the ticket, shouldn’t they write the ticket to the company? Afterall, it shouldn’t be a “company drivers’ ” responsibility to alter and add componites to the truck that doesn’t even belong to the driver.

]]> By: Mo http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-398 Mo Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:03:02 +0000 http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-398 Oh and yes, the fires cause far more pollution than trucks...!!! Oh and yes, the fires cause far more pollution than trucks…!!!

]]> By: Mo http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-397 Mo Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:01:55 +0000 http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-397 amen brother... the left is good for that... be safe you dirty nasty 'ol mean 'ol truckers but damn it don't you sleep....!!! Don't dare sleep in my liberal state.... amen brother… the left is good for that… be safe you dirty nasty ‘ol mean ‘ol truckers but damn it don’t you sleep….!!! Don’t dare sleep in my liberal state….

]]> By: Danielle Bennett http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-364 Danielle Bennett Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:22:45 +0000 http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-364 Hopefully the fine upstanding individuals who belong to California's law enforcement will spend the majority of their time fighting crime and lawlessness, rather than harassing truck drivers out of a good night's sleep. I can understand restricting idling near residential areas, or when the outside temperature is reasonable. But in the summers, outside temps can make the inside of a truck downright miserable. Winters can leave you freezing your bum off. It seems the same whiny individuals who are worried about "tired truckers" are the same people who would gleefully rob us of the ability to get a decent night's sleep in a climate controlled environment. I drive for a small fleet- 17 trucks, and despite the urging of several drivers, the owner refuses to equip his trucks with APU's, citing cost constraints. Aside from this fact, I enjoy working for this company- so quitting is not an option. Yet this summer I fear I'll be forced to endure more than a few fitful and sweaty night's sleep only to emerge bleary-eyed and improperly rested, driving a 40 ton vehicle, mingling with the other motorists of California's often-too-congested highways. The people of California certainly enjoy the luxury of heating and air conditioning in their homes; the electricity has to come from somewhere- fossil fuels, anyone? Perhaps the next step to combatting pollution in California will be to outlaw climate control systems for homes. Maybe they should outlaw homes altogether- after all, building materials rob natural resources and clearing homesites destroys the natural habitats of some furry woodland creatures. Let's get real here- there are reasonable "anti-idle" laws....and then there's California. All this law is doing, is pandering to a small but vocal group of eco-extremists. The yearly fires in California easily put more pollution into the atmosphere than do the state's diesel trucks. Perhaps neighboring states ought to fine California for all the fires? Hopefully the fine upstanding individuals who belong to California’s law enforcement will spend the majority of their time fighting crime and lawlessness, rather than harassing truck drivers out of a good night’s sleep. I can understand restricting idling near residential areas, or when the outside temperature is reasonable. But in the summers, outside temps can make the inside of a truck downright miserable. Winters can leave you freezing your bum off. It seems the same whiny individuals who are worried about “tired truckers” are the same people who would gleefully rob us of the ability to get a decent night’s sleep in a climate controlled environment. I drive for a small fleet- 17 trucks, and despite the urging of several drivers, the owner refuses to equip his trucks with APU’s, citing cost constraints. Aside from this fact, I enjoy working for this company- so quitting is not an option. Yet this summer I fear I’ll be forced to endure more than a few fitful and sweaty night’s sleep only to emerge bleary-eyed and improperly rested, driving a 40 ton vehicle, mingling with the other motorists of California’s often-too-congested highways. The people of California certainly enjoy the luxury of heating and air conditioning in their homes; the electricity has to come from somewhere- fossil fuels, anyone? Perhaps the next step to combatting pollution in California will be to outlaw climate control systems for homes. Maybe they should outlaw homes altogether- after all, building materials rob natural resources and clearing homesites destroys the natural habitats of some furry woodland creatures. Let’s get real here- there are reasonable “anti-idle” laws….and then there’s California. All this law is doing, is pandering to a small but vocal group of eco-extremists. The yearly fires in California easily put more pollution into the atmosphere than do the state’s diesel trucks. Perhaps neighboring states ought to fine California for all the fires?

]]> By: Larry Miller http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-43 Larry Miller Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:04:47 +0000 http://www.fuelpub.com/interactive/2008/01/18/no-idle-in-california/#comment-43 I'm a trucker from Canada. Our company is in the process of installing APU's on all our fleet.(100+ trucks). I have heard of one driver being fined $300 in Barstow, but you still see or rather hear trucks idling every night in every truck stop. I'm sure that California will start cracking down soon. It will generate a lot of revenue until the truckers learn. It serves the truckers right. I have over a million miles driving and I see trucks idling all the time for absolutly no reason. I’m a trucker from Canada. Our company is in the process of installing APU’s on all our fleet.(100+ trucks). I have heard of one driver being fined $300 in Barstow, but you still see or rather hear trucks idling every night in every truck stop. I’m sure that California will start cracking down soon. It will generate a lot of revenue until the truckers learn. It serves the truckers right. I have over a million miles driving and I see trucks idling all the time for absolutly no reason.

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